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Post by bonesmccoy on Dec 21, 2004 22:11:34 GMT -5
Yeah, I know they're in the book too, and maybe they're cool there, I don't know. It's been so long since I read it I don't really remember anymore. But in the movie, they suck my big fat one! They're ghostly green people which just doesn't fit the realistic mood or feel that everything else has. The cave sequence is better in the EE but ghostly green dead people still suck. IIRC, they are not supposed to show up at Minas Tirith for the final battle. They are not supposed to swarm over everything and end the battle in 5 seconds. They trivialize the accomplishment of Men that day. Men fought the battle and Men won it. The Dead have no place there.
I think PBJ just wanted a cool effects scene to 'wow' people, as if it didn't have enough already.
The Army of the Dead in the movie is just plain stupid.
Who's with me?
And what part do the Dead play in the book? Is it actually described as part of the narrative? And how do they look? Are they really ghostly green people or maybe they're shambling zombie-b@stards dripping blood and gore (which is cool, naturally).
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Post by AxeMental on Dec 21, 2004 22:16:35 GMT -5
d**n straight. They should have made it more like dawn of the deadish, perhaps just barely turning the tide. And not being able to be damaged at all...how stupid was that.
This was probably the biggest screw up of all three movies for all the reasons you mentioned.
I also didn't like the elephants in the last battle, thought I was watching Indiana Jones 2 again.
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Post by bonesmccoy on Dec 21, 2004 22:25:47 GMT -5
Well I got to disagree there, my old amigo. I loved the elephants/ollyphaunts/mumakil-whatevers. They really show the extent of the threat against the world of men. Sauron is bringing in scumbags from all over the world to defeat the good guys. Shows how awesome the good guys are that he needs to do that. Shows how magnificent the warriors of Rohan are that they answer even this challenge. And makes for an awesome scene. I just didn't like Legolas whacking one. Usual perfect elf crap. That kind of uber-elvish nonsense is just the sort of thing that really gets my goat!  And for the book-types, are the Mumakil really supposed to be that large? |
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Post by AxeMental on Dec 28, 2004 16:23:07 GMT -5
Ohhhhhhhhhhh come on Bones, don't you think it was a little over done. I personally thought they distracted from the movie, way over the top. THey should have been included just not in a surf punk big shouldered costume Arab way. Was there any reason they needed to make the foreign dress so Indiana Jones Quest for the Holly Grail looking. I mean jeeeze already. And wasn't the size of these elephants in comparison to the horse riders a bit like the scene on Star Wars II with the walkers attacking that planet and fighters flying between their legs shooting grappling hooks....wasn't this already done in a movie....does no one else see the similarity?
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Post by jrmapes on Dec 28, 2004 17:24:00 GMT -5
And wasn't the size of these elephants in comparison to the horse riders a bit like the scene on Star Wars II with the walkers attacking that planet and fighters flying between their legs shooting grappling hooks....wasn't this already done in a movie....does no one else see the similarity? THAT was glaringly obvious! I got all sorts of nasty looks when that scene popped up on screen. I couldnt help myself... the hand flew up in the air pointing at the screen and i found myself saying (what msut have been too loud) "Hey Look! At-At's... now all they need is some d**n snow speeders with tow cables!"  I guess there is a reason my friends dont invite me to the movies much. Jerry |
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Post by AxeMental on Dec 28, 2004 20:30:26 GMT -5
It's really odd, he ripped off Indiana Jones II bald headed Indian Kali priest look (the one blowing the horn on top of the elephant), and created outfits for the humans (black loose cotton with giant shoulder pads) almost identicle to from Jones III or possibly even The Mummy.
I tell you the elephants were really cool in the LOTR books but PJ treated them like rad.
If were going to complain about overdoing stuff, I also didn't like the over-use of that one eyed orc leader with a head that looked blown up like a baloon. It just stuck out as more costumy then I would have expected and over played (the guy was way too dramatic).
I also thought Fierimere got jipped on an outfit. His shoulders look 1 foot wide, and he seems to be dressed in some kind of neo-italian skirt thingy. The actor had the looks and was ok, but his dress made him appear somewhat stiff.
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Post by bonesmccoy on Dec 29, 2004 2:58:43 GMT -5
That AT-AT comparison had not occured to me. And I haven't read the books in years so maybe I just wasn't being picky enough. I'm one of the ignorant masses d00dz! Sp00n-feed me some blood and tits and I'm a happy man.  |
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Post by jrmapes on Dec 29, 2004 3:54:52 GMT -5
Heh.
Bones, I've been corrupted...
My ex-roommate watched the Star Wars trilogy every bleedin day! So i was to some extent brainwashed into seeing almost everything in terms of Star Wars.
Oh to be able to take a hot iron and purge that twisted part of my brain!
Jerry
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Post by northrundicandus on Dec 30, 2004 12:15:35 GMT -5
My ex-roommate watched the Star Wars trilogy every bleedin day! So i was to some extent brainwashed into seeing almost everything in terms of Star Wars. That burned through some Sanity Points... |
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